IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - PLEASE READ
Through some messages with the admin (seen below), I have received some truly terrible news.
This started when someone at the Discord talked about how the forum search function was harder to find than the white text box site search function. I sent a message about that, and got this in return:
My message back, also from the email notification:
was responding via the sister site Trade Cards Online
(TCO), and these pictures come from my messages section there.
I wanted full confirmation before informing the Pirates community, so here is a message I sent after waiting a few days:
My most recent response:
So. Things are in BIG trouble.
I'd say this is probably the worst news the Pirates CSG community has gotten since the "cards-only" flop version was announced in 2011 or whenever. It has certainly put a damper on my week.
Any non-confidential information I receive will be shared in this thread and posted as it comes available to me.
I want to keep everyone informed about any and all information that we can use.
HOWEVER, this is just the beginning. Three months gives us plenty of time to recover and save tons of information from the site, even if there is no coming back. In addition, I have already sent a message to Cardmarket
, which you can see below.
I actually have an account at CardMarket (guess I'll abbreviate CM for now - not cargo master haha) from earlier this year because I made about 5 euros from two people buying premium on MT through my affiliate link. I didn't know it until this year, but CM apparently acts as the way MT (and TCO I would imagine) distributes these payments (prior to this year I just had Friendship Points from referrals, never premium commissions).
It is time to reach out to CardMarket and let them know how badly we need to see Miniature Trading survive!!!!!!
From the above picture you can see their basic contact email address. They say their contact form
is the best way to contact them. I sent the same message through that before copying and pasting it into an email message as well. Unfortunately you seem to need an account to use the contact form, so email would be easier. Do both if possible.
Feel free to post here if you've contacted them, with your message if you want/etc. And any information you receive back from them should obviously be posted here.
I think it is slightly too early to talk about alternatives, but BoardGameGeek is the only other acceptable forum for the game in my opinion. I say this because the organization (or COMPLETE LACK thereof) of the systems at Facebook, reddit, and Discord are nothing compared to what we have here at Miniature Trading. The main problem I think about right now is solvency. The "giants" mentioned above are likely to survive for far longer than Miniature Trading, but in my opinion only BGG is capable of supporting this great community the way it needs. They don't have a fleets and Miniature Reviews section, but those could be done with the forum categories/etc. I have had a middling to subpar experience at BGG overall, so I'm not highly recommending it. It's just the only other site with the proper forum features to be a "replacement". I have thought about trying to build some kind of forum off my own Pirates CSG fansite, Pirates with Ben
. Only time will tell what solutions seem best and most practical. Other solutions such as a free forum like the custom set forum
are dubious and could dissolve or suffer a similar fate as MT. Personally, I'd like to just host things myself and pay for it for the peace of mind, rather than relying on an external entity/company/website for preserving things. To that end I may look heavily into further expanding my fansite to make it more of a community site. (no promises, but hopefully, especially if people show interest)
SAVING AND DOCUMENTING INFORMATION
After receiving the bad news in that message on August 20th, I began what could become a long project of archiving and saving stuff from Miniature Trading. I know the Wayback Machine could be great for this, but between photobucket, postimages, and now Miniature Trading (and other past Pirates sites), I don't really trust any of these online entities. So I'd rather keep stuff myself and rely on nothing but my own devices and "the cloud".
I have already begun transferring some of my longer and more useful/informative posts (Huge Game Legacy, Beginner's Guide, etc) to Pirates with Ben to be posted as pages or posts in the future.
Beyond saving things as text files and copying and pasting text from the forums and whatnot, we can take PICTURES! You can search your computer for a preinstalled Snipping Tool, which I have used a lot (including the messages above).
However, an even better solution for saving threads, fleets, and Miniature Reviews:
Full Page Screen Capture
I just started using this a few days ago, and it is FANTASTIC. It also carries a 5/5 star rating from nearly 20,000 reviews. It works pretty quickly and grabs the entire page by scrolling your browser window.
WHAT I HAVE SAVED SO FAR:
Coolest part of Pirates CSG? (for you)
Could WE restart Pirates?
Rules for Pirates: Economy Edition
The Fleet Challenge Archives!
Fleet Challenge ideas thread
First Ever FLEET REVIEW!!
How did they do it?
Help determining when patents expire/etc
News on Pirates!!!
Miniature Trading database of all 13 sets (uploaded to imgur
Ocean Terrain Contest #3
All of my Miniature Reviews
All of my Fleets
Now all of the threads under “Very Useful Threads” in the Thread of Threads
have been saved. https://imgur.com/a/yF3hU5L
My Haves and Wants
A few things from Game Ideas
PotCS Adventure Book Game Scenarios
Circle of Blood
Custom Ships Organized Version
Pirates items not from boosters: http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=3948///
Ways to improve the haves/needs lists: http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=3487///
Spanish Main OP0393: http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=5386///
What constitutes a "Complete Set"? http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/p=62628///#62628
Tracking WK prize kits: http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=3211///
WK Code lists for OP and PP - can you add to it? http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=4237///
Database Survey: Hey Democracy works. . .sometimes: http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=3501///
Buyer Beware - eBay Primer for Pirates: http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=3690///
Mastercommander’s Blue Heron review: http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/showCardReview/review_id/5947
Rarest ship? http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=5621///
Strange cards... Who is he? An early version if Myngs? http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=3226///
Scandinavian Islands - I got them http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=3713///
How can you identfy unlabeled islands? http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=4479///
5 Hardest Pirates Cards to Collect? http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=3597///
Ranking the rarest Pirates CSG items
All Rankings threads http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=8675///
Help determining when patents expire/etc: http://m.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=8904///
Could WE restart Pirates? http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=5577///
Favorite factions: http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=8813///
Favorite Pirates moments: http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=6146///
Addicted to Pirates: http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=8733///
POTC themed ships: http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=8602///
What is your "ultimate power" aspect? http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=8584///
Black Beauty - the really BIG 10mast junk http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=5498///
Pirates Re-Launch - in Card Game Form http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=6015///
BIG games and good books http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=5767///
What's your definition of a "nation pure" fleet? http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=5739///
An introduction, and some thoughts… http://www.miniaturetrading.com/im/forum/viewtopic/t=4081///
Edit: This paragraph is old now, refers to what I saved before first submitting this thread. Saving more as I go along. [These are all from the Thread of Threads
. These were the first things I wanted to save, the top-tier best of the best things I would HATE to lose forever. I've uploaded them to postimages
(not that they're trustworthy either of course haha) and will look into additional storage solutions like google drive, external storage, etc. In a post below I will try to post a picture of a forum page so you know what to expect from the extension if you want to use it (or a different one).]
I also have pretty much all of my battle reports archived in google docs, but I'll be checking those sometime to make sure I have all of them. (and in a document file as well)
Once I finish posting this, I plan to take captures of ALL the sets in the database. Saving each individual picture would take a LONG time, but perhaps there's some way to save the gallery pictures separately more easily than that.
Here is a list of things to think about for your personal contributions.
What should you save?
-Tracked Trades history and references (could come in handy for reputation on other sites)
-Haves and Wants!
-History of merit points and posts per month/etc (personal stats) (I know I'm probably the only one who has done this XD)
Once you're satisfied with saving whatever you want from your own profile/etc, feel free to save what you want from the forum/old fleets/etc. Please post here what you have saved/archived
, and possibly provide a link to a public photo gallery or something if you'd like. Given the 3 month time span (hopefully the plug won't be pulled sooner....), we could pretty much archive the entire site if we wanted to and recreate it somewhere else with the files/pictures/info. Not that we need to save every thread (not nearly), but there is certainly a core chunk of Miniature Trading that would be truly awful to lose.
What else can we do? I've re-enabled ads on MT by disabling my adblocker for all of Miniature Trading's pages. The potential tiny ad revenue is not likely to help, but obviously there is some desperation in the situation. Given this disastrous news, I would hold off on any Miniature Trading related projects for now, and save any future thread ideas/etc into a document stored elsewhere.
-If you have any other ideas/etc on the situation and how best to handle it, please post your thoughts here.
Weirdly enough, postimages was not working when I tried to submit this post, so I had to use imgur to host the pictures instead. Ugh. I love this whole internet thing, but it's rather impermanent for my tastes.
I don't know the full details of the situation, but this feels eerily similar to the Wizkids shutdown and subsequent (and in hindsight, undesired) takeover by NECA. CardMarket is apparently going to take over and shut down our beloved Miniature Trading site!
The good news or silver lining this time, unlike back in 2008: WE HAVE A WARNING.
Let's make the most of it!
There is so much to do. So much to save. So many messages to be sent. Let's do it!!