relvar99
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Subject: Posted: February 22, 2012 05:28 am |
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When you reference other crew and ships (watch out, shameless plug), try including a url reference to them like this.
One section that might be useful is how she stacks up against the other French 5 masters, of which there are some great ships. Personally I like the two from Revolution, the speedy Le Superbe and the cheap crew killer Le Soleil Royal. The French are not lacking in the 5 masted powerhouse department.
A few typos? There is no CC version of Amiral Gaston de St. Croix (but there is a Capitaine version, the Amiral version is from BC), one is a SAT 5d6 and the other a double fleet action 6d6. Arathiel is a SAC captain. Seems a bit of overkill to have both SAC and SAT on the same ship, plus it necessitates the need to Philippe du Brissac to fit the crew.
The action limit for any ships is two, but this statement implies a third.
quote from captainhawkins: | and you could SAC for a third. |
Under the ways to counteract, a canceller works wonders against just about everybody and should be mentioned. Like the HMS Swallow (a ship I like as well) the 50/50 broadsides is tenuous. Hard to justify its inclusion without some help like a re-roller. In fact, one option for this ships would be the SAT + a re-roller like Godiva or Lenoir, and skip the double action (or vice versa). Plus the French have a captain/reroller in Jordan Dumas which really helps on BA attacks.
Regardless of the extra actions, I think a helmsman is a must for this ship. You cannot rely on SAT 5d6 crew (even with a reroller), and you have only so may crew fodder to fit to give L+L actions. In fact Arathiel + helmsman + as many oarsmen that will fit is a decent build for this ship given her large cargo hold. L+S+L+S guaranteed more than a few times. Ouch.
Even though she is a fighting ship, with such a large cargo, if the chance presents itself, she can grab a gold here or there.
All in all a sold review. Aesthetically, include some links, a section comparing her other French ships, and maybe some other options in the combos section like which treasure runners in a 40 point match, support ships, other crew combos, etc.. will help.
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woelf
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Member since November 10, 2008
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Subject: Posted: February 22, 2012 12:00 pm |
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Good enthusiasm - it's very clear that you like this ship!
As far as the details go, Relvar covered the main points pretty well.
Just a couple extra notes:
quote from relvar99: | The action limit for any ships is two, but this statement implies a third.
quote from captainhawkins: | and you could SAC for a third. |
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The two action limit rule had been a house rule for most players for a very long time and even made its way into the Pirate Code eventually, but it didn't get into the published rulebook until Savage Shores.
Having a SAT and a SAC together on a ship gives you a bit more flexibility in how and when you get those extra actions (if the roll fails you can still eat a crew), but once you've gained an action from one of them the other becomes useless.
quote: | Like the HMS Swallow (a ship I like as well) the 50/50 broadsides is tenuous. Hard to justify its inclusion without some help like a re-roller. In fact, one option for this ships would be the SAT + a re-roller like Godiva or Lenoir, and skip the double action (or vice versa). Plus the French have a captain/reroller in Jordan Dumas which really helps on BA attacks. |
Broadsides can't be rerolled.
"No other abilities..."
However, having a reroller in place to use with a SAT crew is still a good idea because it increases the odds of getting that second action to slightly better than 50/50 - which you could use to make a second Broadsides.
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captainhawkins
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Subject: Posted: February 22, 2012 04:30 pm |
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Okay. Added a comparison section, links, and fixed the typo on St. Croix's name. Thanks for that advice. One last question, I'm seeing the abbreviation SAT with St. Croix... I know what his ability is but can't figure out what SAT stands for. I've only seen SAC before. Second Attempt maybe?
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relvar99
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Subject: Posted: February 22, 2012 06:14 pm |
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Thanks for the clarification woelf.
SAT = "same action twice" (costs 3 minimum)
opposed to "an extra action" (costs 5 minimum)
SAC = "eliminate one of this ship's crew", but short for SACrifice, as in offer up to the gods of the sea. (costs 3 minimum)
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bootstrapbill
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Member since August 21, 2007
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Subject: Good analysis - it's good to hear spirited discussion Posted: February 25, 2012 05:35 pm |
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I haven't used this French 5 mast ship yet - I lilke better odds for a broadsides attack when I roll for one (especially as it can't be rerolled) It must be very satisfying to be able to take 6 masts should it succeed tho
I used Le Soleil Royale in my last game loaded with crew to wreak devastation and annihilation on my opponents (but lost because it was a gold grabbing game, not a deathmatch) so it was a satisfying game. My ships were all just too slow and were playing catch-up and mopping up the worst treasure when they finally got to the islands.
All-in-all a magnificent review
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willponecktv
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Subject: Posted: February 25, 2012 06:44 pm |
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What do OE Crimson Angel and Calico Cat link to?
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captainhawkins
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Subject: Posted: February 26, 2012 08:47 pm |
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What do OE Crimson Angel and Calico Cat link to?
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Crimson Angel links to the Deliverance (Another ship I love.) Cat links to some useless two master.
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volt
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Member since April 3, 2011
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Subject: Posted: February 27, 2012 04:55 pm |
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quote from captainhawkins: |
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What do OE Crimson Angel and Calico Cat link to?
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Crimson Angel links to the Deliverance (Another ship I love.) Cat links to some useless two master.
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That would be the Cat's Claw =) I wouldn't say useless, but yeah not worth one of the best crew in the game.
Her best link is of course the last one: RotF's Lady's Scorn. Her+Capt+helm = one of my favorite (albeit very expensive) combos, heh.
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lordstu
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Subject: Posted: March 2, 2012 04:32 am |
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It got a little messy when the firepot specialist was brought into the discussion. It would probably be better to just leave him out and concentrate on using Magnifique's Broadsides ability.
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lordstu
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Subject: Posted: May 26, 2012 04:39 am |
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Congrats on MotW - it still sounds a little like three actions per turn are being discussed, but it's still a good review and probably deserves time on the home page. 
It brings back fond memories for me, though, as I remember once sinking La Magnifique with HMS Goliath, which then somehow went on to sink La Superbe - 'twas a glorious day for the Royal Navy!
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